Heh. too bad you can't change polls later, the only choice for a name change is "definitely." :)
2001-05-05 02:34 pm (UTC)
Yay for having database access! (I fixed it.)
To me, the name LoserJabber is one of its biggest attractions. It shows that it doesn't take itself too seriously. If I were choosing between two clients with identical features, but one was named LoserJabber and the other was named LiveJournal or something else along those lines, I would certainly have to go with LoserJabber. Q.E.D. And any name beginning with GTK/gnome, etc. is a turnoff.
2001-05-05 02:30 pm (UTC)
Oops. I really meant for there to be a "no" option to the first question. I must've made a typo. :(
2001-05-05 02:34 pm (UTC)
There, I fixed it.
2001-05-05 02:34 pm (UTC)
By analogy with the Windows client name...
The Windows client binary is LiveJournal.exe, is referred to as "the Windows client" when a specific name is needed, and is referred to as "lj_win32" when a concise specific name is needed (for the community name, for instance).
By analogy, I would name the Gtk client binary "livejournal" (Unix programs are usually lowercase), call it "the Gtk client" or "the Unix client" when a specific name is needed, and refer to it as "lj_gtk" when a concise specific name is needed (for the community name, for instance).
For most Unix users, the Gtk client is going to be the program they use to access LiveJournal, so naming it "glivejournal" or "gtk_lj" will just add unnecessary confusion.
If you support other systems later, you can make another client release and call it "gtk_advogato" or whatever. For ease of setup and configuration you'll want separate releases for the separate systems anyway.
2001-05-05 02:52 pm (UTC)
Re: By analogy with the Windows client name...
UNIX users also like having different programs to do the same thing for different environments, 'livejournal' is pretty ambiguous. I don't have a program called "web browser" or "email", and programs with generic names are almost invariably for terminals (mail, ftp, find, etc).
Also, something called 'livejournal' makes me think I'm running the server.
And I guarantee if someone writes a KDE/Qt client for LiveJournal, LoserJabber will stop being the program being used.
I think if you must rename it, then "LinLJ" (as I've already voted for :) would be a good start, and maybe "WinLJ" for Losedows.
What about all the other UNIX users (or any platform that can run GTK, really)? And for that matter, what happens when Linux goes away?
Naming a program after an operating system is being horribly shortsighted.
I voted for renaming, and to "LiveJournal Client".
glivejournal would be dumb.
But I don't like "livejournal" because then it'll go in Debian/FreeBSD and you'll steal my name I want to package the LiveJournal server as. :)
livejournal-client and livejournal ?
livejournal and livejournal-server ?
livejournal-client and livejournal-server ?
I like the idea of livejournal-client/livejournal-server. A bit more verbose, but it just seems more like The Right Way.
As long as you have some compile-time easter egg to force it to call itself "LoserJabber" I don't care what you name it :)
2001-05-05 08:41 pm (UTC)
It's useless really, but I like the idea of a easter egg that remembers loserjabber, if not necessarily as a compile-time option. Kind of like the Mozilla/Navigator thing (before mozilla.org).
For the same reason, I definitely like glj for the client name.
I just think that if it is changed it should not be changed too much. If the name needs to be cleaned up then it should be xlj. Well for X LooserJabber. But we don't have to tell those proffesionals that that is exactly what it stands for.
2001-05-05 04:38 pm (UTC)
LoserJabber works from the console, too.
As LiveJournal becomes more and more popular, LoserJabber also needs to become more professional.
I would question this assumption. It's your client, and obviously you choose the name. But really, what would the point of changing it be? I mean, how do we explain Frank as "professional"? Even Netscape didn't change Mozilla to "Netscape Browser" when they made it professional; calling it "LiveJournal Client" seems to say "Look, we're the only client!" and it's also boring as hell.
well, as much as i like the name loserjabber, i agree that it should be changed. not because of professionalism or whatever, but more because of the confusing of it being a jabber client (which as happened several times if i remember correctly).
i think it should be something along the lines of livejournal-gtk. that would prevent problems with other unix clients (perl, qt, etc) but also leave name space for the server as well.
The namespace thing is important. Obviously there needs to be a sensible way of distributing package, eventually, too; I might have a go at building RPMs at some point, but as I'm running RH7.1 with some Raw Hide updates, I might have trouble building packages that's run on older systems :(
I think one of the important things will be to make a common packages with things like images in, and maybe the styles and stuff. Then they can be updated independently from the server code. There again the styles could be too dynamic to distribute sensibly as a package *shrug* I hope a good solution emerges.
2001-05-06 10:59 am (UTC)
not entirely true....
Actually I downloaded it cause I thought I could update diaryland (I think that's the one I used, twice). When it turned out it was for livejournal I just switched to lj.
ps. I think you should stick w/ loserjabber, after all the Gimp never changed names and a lot of *nix apps have weird 'non-corporate' names - anyone using linux/unix/whatever is used to installing things w/ odd names. If you do decide to switch, I think you should just mess with people and call it WinLiveJournal or something.
So, in true LiveJournal / open source fashion, I ask you, the user
No, the true open source fashion would be to do whatever you want, after all, you're writing the code. :-)
Brad should probably have some input given that he's payin' tha $$$.
Personally, I've always disliked the LoserJabber name, both because of confusion with Jabber and because it sounds like a dis on LJ users. It just wasn't a showstopper until the business thing came up.
But then, I don't like the "because you like to think someone cares" slogan either. Shrug...