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[Jan. 18th, 2003|07:03 pm]
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Poll #93370 checkfriends

How do you use the friends update notification?

I use the floating indicator.
4(6.6%)
I use the in-window indicator.
7(11.5%)
I use the commandline-based system.
0(0.0%)
I don't use checkfriends.
39(63.9%)
What is checkfriends?
5(8.2%)

(Future development.) I would find it most useful if...

LogJam could checkfriends on multiple logins simultaneously.
0(0.0%)
LogJam could put the checkfriends indicator in the GNOME/KDE panel.
6(9.5%)
LogJam could run multiple windows simultaneously (allowing editing multiple entries simultaneously, etc.).
0(0.0%)
LogJam could run multiple tabs simultaneously (allowing editing multiple entries simultaneously, etc.).
0(0.0%)
LogJam had better support for Microsoft Windows.
0(0.0%)
LogJam had better support for GNOME.
1(1.6%)
LogJam had support for undo-ing operations.
1(1.6%)
LogJam had support for HTML preview.
1(1.6%)
LogJam had support for WYSIWYG-style HTML entry.
0(0.0%)
LogJam's spellchecker was better (less buggy, supported multiple languages simultaneously, etc.).
1(1.6%)
LogJam supported offline entries / exporting your journal to disk and applying changes to all entries / journal-wide statistics.
7(11.1%)
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Comments:
From: geekosaur
2003-01-18 07:06 pm (UTC)
I use the in-window indicator, "wmswallow"ed into the WindowMaker dock. Eventually I'll get fed up with the limitations of that and hack it to provide a proper dockapp....

(sorry folks, I've never liked KDE and GNOME 2 is a complete and utter loss with no insurance. Gaaaah.)
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From: evan
2003-01-18 11:14 pm (UTC)
Do you know what the problem is? I didn't put FreeBSD on the list because it should be perfect.

It's funny you mention this, because tonight I:
  1. Received a patch from Gaal to use the glib abstractions for loading modules to increase portability (not committed because there is a problem),
  2. Wrote a bunch of code that lets you diagnose what is going wrong with using XMMS.
  3. </ul>
    But really, it should work without either of those... but I need more information.
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From: evan
2003-01-18 11:50 pm (UTC)
it compiles only with-xmms=runtime, but anyways it doesn't link to xmms at runtime. :(
i'm not a good debugger, but if you could tell me how to diagnose it, i'll surelly do it.


Ooh, that's exactly what I added the debugging code for. I'll get back to you about this once I've committed it to CVS.
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[User Picture]From: fishit
2003-01-19 12:41 am (UTC)

Re: yes!

Just an FYI, I downloaded 4.0.1 (was using 3.x) and it complied and installed without a hitch on my FreeBSD system. XMMS detection also worked.
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From: evan
2003-01-19 01:40 pm (UTC)
If you update from CVS, there is now a button to help diagnose it in the Debug tab.
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[User Picture]From: abiku
2003-01-18 11:27 pm (UTC)
Like evan said, that is odd. I use LogJam with FreeBSD rather often and it always detects and builds XMMS without a problem. It would be nice of the LogJam port would be updated at some point in the future, but that's a separate problem; the CVS version of LogJam builds just fine for me with support for the latest XMMS that's in the ports collection.
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From: evan
2003-01-19 01:39 am (UTC)

Re: *sigh*

Interesting. Could you give me the output of

xmms-config --cflags --libs

?
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[User Picture]From: patrick
2003-01-18 10:58 pm (UTC)
I want a checkfriends feature in further! ;)
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From: evan
2003-01-18 11:12 pm (UTC)
Ooh, that's a good idea. It'll have to go in the ruby one. LogJam's commandline-based checkfriends support should actually be enough to make that work in something like 20 lines of ruby... :P
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[User Picture]From: patrick
2003-01-19 02:58 am (UTC)

Re:

oh sweet. that would rule.

you know you would have at least one user. :)
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[User Picture]From: abiku
2003-01-18 11:30 pm (UTC)
Just in case you actually look at who voted on what in the poll, I thought I'd clarify my confliting answers.

At the moment, if I use the checkfriends feature of LogJam, I use the in-window indicator. I'm still using WindowMaker as my window manager of choice and the floating indicator usually gets lost, or looks totally out of place, or whatever. For the most part, I just use WMLJ, which is somewhat annoying but functional.
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[User Picture]From: poggs
2003-01-19 03:35 am (UTC)
A couple of things could do with a confirmation dialog box, e.g. deleting a friends group. That's my only real issue, but it was my fault for playing about :)
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[User Picture]From: abiku
2003-01-20 08:45 am (UTC)
Related to the checkfriends subject, I've noticed that a rather serious bug still exists in the latest CVS iteration of the program. I rarely ever touch the feature, which is why I've forgotten about it for this long.

When selecting the option to "Show titlebar on floating indicator," it immediately crashes my window manager. I'm running WindowMaker 0.80.1 from the FreeBSD ports collection and the latest (as of 01-20-03) CVS version of LogJam. If any other environmental information would be useful, please let me know and I can get you as much (or as little) as you need. Although I said this is a serious bug -- mostly because it crashes my window manager -- I wouldn't consider it critical; I almost never touch the option, myself, so it's not that big of a deal to me.
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[User Picture]From: gaal
2003-01-27 11:44 am (UTC)
Sorry I only noticed this now. If this happens every time, could you please send me a stack trace for the crash? The feature was written and originally tested on WindowMaker, by the way.
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[User Picture]From: abiku
2003-01-28 02:24 pm (UTC)
I feel dumb asking this, but how would I go about doing that? I've compiled it with the -g option and run it through gdb, but it never prints anything out before or after the window manager crashes and restarts. After WindowMaker restarts, I just exit LogJam and it exits normally.

For what it's worth, it does this every time without fail and did so before and after I completely rebuilt my workstation (for unrelated reasons). Right now, I'm running FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE, and the latest versions of everything from the ports collection as of yesterday evening. (XFree86 4.2.1 (port revision 7), gtk-2.0.9, gtkspell-2.0.2, windowmaker-0.80.2, the latest cvs sources for logjam as of this afternoon, etc.)

Let me know how to get you the information you need and I'll see what I can do. I'm going out of town for 5 days on Thursday, though, so if it's not tomorrow, I'll get back to you next week. You can Email me directly, if you prefer. I have a permanent account so abiku@ will work fine.
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[User Picture]From: gaal
2003-01-29 03:52 am (UTC)

wm core

Since it's WM that's crashing, we should try to get the stacktrace from it. I don't know how useful it is, but could you try getting it from the corefile? (see http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=logjam&itemid=45851&thread=253467#t253467 for how to do that, but note you'll have to set up your environment before starting X). Thanks.
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[User Picture]From: abiku
2003-02-05 10:54 am (UTC)

Re: wm core

The Email has been sent. Let me know if there's anything else I can provide to you!
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[User Picture]From: herbie
2003-02-06 01:46 am (UTC)

Just out of curiosity

How hard would it be to write some kind of check friends docklet for the notification area, since both KDE and Gnome (and others?) support it now?
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From: evan
2003-02-07 01:02 am (UTC)

Re: Just out of curiosity

Gaal has done some preliminary work on it, but things are in a bit of flux right now in the GTK world (there's no built-in way to do it at the moment). When I tried his code it didn't work for me so I didn't commit it. :)
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From: warmenhoven
2003-05-05 10:09 pm (UTC)
Does checkfriends work with free accounts?

More to the point, why does it work for mid but not me?
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From: evan
2003-05-06 12:21 am (UTC)
I think it was disabled for free accounts because of load issues.
(And yeah, I know that seems to be a step in the wrong direction...)
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